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Post by Konkor on Jun 20, 2010 20:57:48 GMT -5
First of all,I am not into god! I am a follower of God! This-"god"-is the term used by the pagans and occultists and new agers! God is used in reference to our creator,the LORD! You said "this is a site for people who want to learn about the force from a different perspective than the movies did" Ha Ha,Different perspective! I did not know that the Force was around before George Lucas made that first scifi space movie that suckered millions into his hippie jean's pockets,back in the 70s. He was laughing his way to the bank.He was probably cracking up every time he cooked up another sequel and he was still getting the wads of cash in his pockets,if not even more each time. All your site says is based from the movie mixed with satanic cult philosophy,such as New Age,Buddhism,Wicca,and a hoard of other dammed accursed things. God is real,for there is proof,the entire universe runs on eternal universal unchangeable laws,which can not be the result of randomness but instead of an All powerful All wise and conscious God!
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Post by bennyb84 on Jun 20, 2010 21:55:46 GMT -5
ok fair enough but Lucas changed the way movies were made and ya he made billions from the movies no question but you gotta look at it from this prespective back in the 70's was the Veitnam war and it was a terrible time in those days and movies back then didn't have too many gadgets and had no CGI at all and what Star Wars did was it changed a lot of peoples hearts and got them away from the war and ya it did make a lot of money but it came at the right time and it brought people to a whole new generation of movie goers and fans of SCIFI. The Force however is just another term for the energy that surrounds everything. Its been there for god knows how long and its been used by martial artists, military, athletes and ordinary people. God in my opinion isn't a real person and isn't muslim, jewish, buddhist, Wicca or even christian , God is a living being within all of us and yes we pray to him/her/it ect. but he's a symbol of what makes this world great and not so great. Its great people follow him awesome for them keep going but don't tell the rest of us what we should do. Am I a follower of god, no but i'm thankful he's apart of every living being. I love coming to these not just because i'm a bit of a nerd which shouldn't be anything wrong whatsoever but it gives me a different way to look at things in my own life. I'm a practicing strongman and practicioner of qi gong and mental conditioninist (if you can call it that) most of my practice is through exercise and this is another thing I research about. Whether you follow god or satan or sheva or allah it doesn't matter all that matters is that you learn for yourself what you love and respect. Following god isn't a bad thing not discouraging you on that but to call a bunch of what people believe in satanic cult. If you think i'm apart of satanic cult then so be it thats what you think and think you know but on the other hand I have love all around me and no matter how bad life gets or happy it gets I still have the people around me and none of it is satanic or mighty powerful its just there.
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Post by Darth Draconis on Jun 21, 2010 5:57:56 GMT -5
I say "one's reality" because no individual lives in the same reality as another, not the way I see it. You say reality is the same for everyone? First off, that's a matter of opinion, and is a part of your reality. Second, your contradicting yourself if you ask me, in saying that reality is the same for everyone. Our disagreement concerning god is evidence of that, you live in a reality in which you can lean on your precious crutch, I live in a reality in which I stand on my own two feet. We're worlds apart preacher.
I'm tempted to ask yet again, are you f**k**g kidding? But disregard that question... apparently your serious (LOL). I was not attempting to glorify power, I was attempting to explain it in the most basic way I could, given your limited understanding I thought taking it in baby steps mght help... but I seem to have been wrong.
As for revealing the Lord to me, the world I live in is mine and no one else's. You revealed jack shit, a bunch of fantastical claims, nothing more. I choose what I do, I choose the relationships I have, I choose to continue or end those relationships, I choose to continue or end my life, I choose to work and save up money. And when things turn to crap, there's no one to blame but myself. I realize that's hard to understand for someone of your stature, accustomed to crying on what is likely nothing more than the imaginary shoulder of some grandiose god, but if you try real hard....
I "worship" nothing, I learn, I become aware of, and I possess both my Self and my Power. Worship doesn't seem a part of the equation to me. ______________
I'm kind of with Benny, I'm always a bit irked by people like you, and I have to wonder what the hell your even doing here. I mean seriously, you really think your going to accomplish anything in a virtually abandoned forum (besides the three of us, that is)? I don't know about Benny, but personally I think your a quack, and an irritating one at that.
As a sidenote: Benny, not trying to offend you, so don't take it as such *wink*.
As for you preacher/Konkor, I really hope you don't take offense (sarcasm) in my attacks of your beliefs, but with all due respect you initiated the nature of our discussion by attcking my beliefs.
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Post by Konkor on Jun 21, 2010 8:10:22 GMT -5
"The Force however is just another term for the energy that surrounds everything. Its been there for god knows how long and its been used by martial artists, military, athletes and ordinary people.
"The energy that surrounds everything?Where is your proof of this? Where is your article disproving my proof of the LORD God Almighty.
"God in my opinion isn't a real person and isn't muslim, jewish, buddhist, Wicca or even christian"
Wiccans are pagans,they have many gods and goddesses(which are supposedly part of themselves,rings a bell?). Buddhist are pagans,they believe and worship many gods(spirits,really,but they worship them none the less).
"God is a living being within all of us and yes we pray to him/her/it ect. but he's a symbol of what makes this world great and not so great. Its great people follow him awesome for them keep going but don't tell the rest of us what we should do. Am I a follower of god, no but i'm thankful he's apart of every living being."
A part of every living being?I am sorry but that is not the LORD God Creator of all that is. My proof of "God" is of the All powerful,All wise,and All perfect Conscious Creator God! Only universal immaterial unchangeable laws could exist if they created by the LORD. Where is the logical proof of your version of God.
"Whether you follow god or satan or sheva or allah it doesn't matter all that matters is that you learn for yourself what you love and respect.
Maybe for you it does not matter,but I gotta ask you,Where is your proof that it does not matter.One should worship the creator,and the universe,through it's natural laws and boundaries,points to the LORD,who is all perfect all powerful,all wise and conscious!
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Post by Konkor on Jun 21, 2010 8:31:31 GMT -5
As for you Drake onis, You have yet to find flaws in my"truth",because it is the truth. This world has been established by the LORD and is sustained by the LORD. The only thing you did in the last thing you wrote is to point out the wrongs in my understanding of your"beliefs",yet you cannot prove them logically and you have yet unproved my "truth".If there is not All powerful,All wise creator,and All perfect concious Creator,than how did the universal unmaterial unchangeable laws come into being? If they did come into being just like(snap)that,where did they come from?After all every thing is energy(sarcasticly)ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Post by Konkor on Jun 21, 2010 10:17:40 GMT -5
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Post by bennyb84 on Jun 21, 2010 11:24:42 GMT -5
Well then all I can say is lol...With guys like you i'm glad i don't believe in the almighty....i'm as atheist as you can get and you know what i'm going to hell for it lol.....satan is my worshiper and i do everything he tells me and speaks to me he is the almighty.
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Post by Darth Draconis on Jun 21, 2010 19:15:59 GMT -5
Are you really that stupid? I pointed out the flaws, as I see them. The fact that you deny I did so is what I would guess to be a misunderstanding of my own beliefs, but I've already tried to clarify those as well, apparently to no avail.
As for 'your truth', that's exactly what it is as far as I'm concerned, Your truth. Go ahead and proclaim it, but I do not accept it and I feel I've sufficiently explained why. I am not attempting to disprove 'your truth', I am pointing out that there is the possibility that your just as wrong as you say I am.
How did the 'universal unmaterial laws come into being'? I question whether or not such "unchangeable laws" even exist. Regardless, I don't think our admittedly limited human minds could ever comprehend something like the origin of all things, and I think it rather arrogant of you to believe you've somehow attained that knowledge.
It seems one of the differences between you and me are thus: I can admit I don't know, you can't, you seem in need of some fantastical explanation. I, on the other hand, feel I can live with the uncertainty.
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Post by Konkor on Jun 21, 2010 20:06:12 GMT -5
Well then all I can say is lol...With guys like you i'm glad i don't believe in the almighty....i'm as atheist as you can get and you know what i'm going to hell for it lol.....satan is my worshiper and i do everything he tells me and speaks to me he is the almighty. You joke about it,but where you will spend eternity is no laughing matter! You deny my logical proof without bringing up any logical argument. I see you are resilient in denying the truth,when you have been so blessed with an opening to it.There is no way to enlighten you if you are so stubborn,So you can believe in what ever fantastical notion of the world with out an almighty creator is like. None the less,may the LORD bring you to him!
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Post by bennyb84 on Jun 21, 2010 22:57:58 GMT -5
LOL wow you are that serious damn man take a chill pill. Who cares about a logical point. If you are a follower more power to you and you're absolutely right, i don't take it seriously cause too many do and its caused a loto greif for people. I don't need enlightenment cause I'am blessed with what I have. Damn right i'm stubborn its one of the reasons i'm still alive after suffering illness as a baby and broken bones and miinor injuries yet i'm still here breathing and getting stronger every single day. I have cheated death quite a few times in my near 26 years on earth. I believe in a god not THE god, do us a favor let us "nerds" have our fun and go to church.
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Post by Konkor on Jun 22, 2010 7:07:26 GMT -5
Just listen. You say you believe in "a god" but not the God. I am trying to give proof of an all powerful,allwise,allperfect concious god,which is the nature of the God in the Bible.I want to disprove an idea of god which has to do about being an unconcious energy which makes up all things,or a part of your self. I am not even proving my Christian faith right now,I am proving God of the Old Testament.-YHWH-yahweh-jehovah-The Great...I Am-I am that I am.
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Post by bennyb84 on Jun 22, 2010 12:56:48 GMT -5
Ok wheres your proof show me god the bible isn't going to help u w/ me show me who is face to face. what ya got to say now
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Post by Konkor on Jun 22, 2010 13:58:39 GMT -5
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Post by Konkor on Jun 22, 2010 13:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by Konkor on Jun 22, 2010 14:17:14 GMT -5
A significant debate within the pantheistic community is about the use of the word "God." Pantheists do not believe in a God in the common and traditional sense of a personal creator being. Some modern Pantheists avoid using God-words altogether, since they regard them as misleading. Others feel that the word God is essential to express the strength of their feelings towards Nature and the Universe.
Pantheism is little more than a redefinition of the word "God" to mean "Nature," "Universe", or "reality".
Pantheism the word God, when used, is more an expression of the user's feelings rather than of some supernatural power in the Universe.
When pantheism is considered as an alternative to theism there is a denial of theistic claims. For example, theism is the belief in a "personal" God that transcends (is separate from) the world. Pantheists deny the existence of a personal God. They deny the existence of a "minded" Being that has intentional states and associated capacities like the ability to make decisions. Source:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-SEP-16
Traditional theism takes the view that God and the world are different. Panentheism, on the other hand would say God and the world are one and the same, that God IS an active part of the world. As a religious view, it could be very harmful. If God is an active part of the world, as claimed by panentheism, then he is a very vengeful god who takes joy in causing misfortune. Ontologically, it would make it impossible to identify and affirm God's saving presence. Additionally, it would negate the in-finiteness of God. the world being a finite place, and God being infinite. At least, that's two flaws I can identify. Though panentheists do go to great length to differentiate the essence of God being different than God. It lacks cohesion at that point, for me. You cannot claim on the one hand that God is in the world and the world is in God, and then claim that you are speaking of the essence of God.
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Post by Konkor on Jun 22, 2010 14:19:17 GMT -5
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Post by Konkor on Jun 22, 2010 14:23:05 GMT -5
I present all this as my evidence.
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Post by bennyb84 on Jun 22, 2010 15:05:33 GMT -5
Wow now i really regret debating with you. Its freakin hilarious.....Logic thats pretty darn clever as oppose to common knowledge. You are one great follower i'll give you that but logic is the basic type of evidence when it needs concrete evidence. The bible is a great book but not everything in it is true because there are stories that define the laws of logic and not prove much that god exists only that he spoke to them which means the person who heard him is either crazy or dilusional when in those times it was difficult who you're suppose to believe especially when it came down to the greeks, jews, egyptians, romans, muslims and islamaics. Also its a discussion not a debate or concrete that god is a real person as oppose to an imaginary being people praise and worship.
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Post by reaver on Jun 22, 2010 15:53:38 GMT -5
Just so you know Konkor....the term Occult translates into "Hidden Truth". There are things in the world that your bible does not tell you, there are things that happen that the bible does not try to understand but intead deems it "heretical". I'll live my life the way I want according to traditions set forth thousands of years before that book was written.
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Post by bennyb84 on Jun 22, 2010 16:55:22 GMT -5
i'll drink to that
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