tzaphoni
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Post by tzaphoni on Mar 22, 2007 7:41:54 GMT -5
Uh, dude? You wrote this all of 12 hours ago:
In the future, it might be a good idea to commit the general gist of your posts to memory. That way you won't get caught contradicting yourself in such obvious ways.
In any case, I am now convinced that responding to you is a waste of my time.
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Post by Volund Starfire on Mar 22, 2007 10:18:23 GMT -5
Draco, my friend, you have never experienced what I have, thus your interpretation cannot even come close to what I actually felt. I did act in one way which made me feel good. Then I realized, and was shown, exactly how it made others feel… it was to the extreme, but it was still a realization. I saw exactly how my manipulations to make myself happy made others feel.
I had a realization and changed my life based on it. So, from one point of view, you are correct. However, you are incorrect on how you reach that point of view. I changed not because it made me feel bad, though it did, but because I realized exactly what kind of harm I could do to someone. Up until that point, I thought it was all just a game. I didn’t even stop to think about the consequences of my actions. I didn’t stop to think of the consequences. When I did stop and look back at my life, rethink my life, as it were, I realized how much trouble I had caused for the only reason of personal enjoyment.
You are correct about another conclusion you have made. When you say, “In the end you do things soley because they make you feel good about yourself as you admit,” you are also correct… in one point of view. I do it because it makes me feel good, yes. But look at why. It makes me feel good because of the feelings of other warming me. The reason I feel good is because I make others feel good. Before, the pleasure would only last until it was over, then their negative feelings toward me would force me to seek more pleasure. Now, with all the positive warmth around me from others, I need not seek more. I only do so because I realize that helping others also makes me feel good… it makes me feel good longer because I can look back and see how good it made others feel.
Alena, you are correct that the bi-polar comment was wrong, but it should not cause you stress to the point it has. I am regularly attacked by others based on my point of view. Some of them are even Jedi who attack my philosophy and faith. It is of no concern to me. I do not live based on what others think of me. Either they accept me or they do not. If they do, then I consider them a friend and will come to their aid at the drop of a hat. If they do not, then they are no more than wind through the valley… destined to make itself heard briefly then disappear into the distance.
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Post by Draco on Mar 22, 2007 11:49:43 GMT -5
Thats nice, maybe in the future you will realize sarcasm until then have a nice day. Uh, dude? You wrote this all of 12 hours ago: In the future, it might be a good idea to commit the general gist of your posts to memory. That way you won't get caught contradicting yourself in such obvious ways. In any case, I am now convinced that responding to you is a waste of my time.
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Post by Draco on Mar 22, 2007 11:53:28 GMT -5
Remember my previous post for you that has magically gone away and just mentally put it in here. Draco, my friend, you have never experienced what I have, thus your interpretation cannot even come close to what I actually felt. I did act in one way which made me feel good. Then I realized, and was shown, exactly how it made others feel… it was to the extreme, but it was still a realization. I saw exactly how my manipulations to make myself happy made others feel.
I had a realization and changed my life based on it. So, from one point of view, you are correct. However, you are incorrect on how you reach that point of view. I changed not because it made me feel bad, though it did, but because I realized exactly what kind of harm I could do to someone. Up until that point, I thought it was all just a game. I didn’t even stop to think about the consequences of my actions. I didn’t stop to think of the consequences. When I did stop and look back at my life, rethink my life, as it were, I realized how much trouble I had caused for the only reason of personal enjoyment.
You are correct about another conclusion you have made. When you say, “In the end you do things soley because they make you feel good about yourself as you admit,” you are also correct… in one point of view. I do it because it makes me feel good, yes. But look at why. It makes me feel good because of the feelings of other warming me. The reason I feel good is because I make others feel good. Before, the pleasure would only last until it was over, then their negative feelings toward me would force me to seek more pleasure. Now, with all the positive warmth around me from others, I need not seek more. I only do so because I realize that helping others also makes me feel good… it makes me feel good longer because I can look back and see how good it made others feel.
Alena, you are correct that the bi-polar comment was wrong, but it should not cause you stress to the point it has. I am regularly attacked by others based on my point of view. Some of them are even Jedi who attack my philosophy and faith. It is of no concern to me. I do not live based on what others think of me. Either they accept me or they do not. If they do, then I consider them a friend and will come to their aid at the drop of a hat. If they do not, then they are no more than wind through the valley… destined to make itself heard briefly then disappear into the distance.
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Post by Alena on Mar 22, 2007 15:33:54 GMT -5
Alena, you are correct that the bi-polar comment was wrong, but it should not cause you stress to the point it has.. It's not even just a matter of that. I do NOT want people to be afraid to express themselves or discuss personal matters and experiences on here, and Draco has crossed the line or come close more than once. ~Alena
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Post by Volund Starfire on Mar 22, 2007 20:23:08 GMT -5
I understand what you mean. You re doing this for the good of the many. I respect and support this. I wish this not to be taken as criticism, but I must say that I am unafraid to take personal criticism… I survived over a year as the target of Hannigan’s attacks, so there is little from the community that can faze me.
As I said, I understand what you mean and are doing, but you need not fear my “delicate sensibilities.”
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Post by Alena on Mar 22, 2007 22:17:13 GMT -5
I understand what you mean. You re doing this for the good of the many. I respect and support this. I wish this not to be taken as criticism, but I must say that I am unafraid to take personal criticism… I survived over a year as the target of Hannigan’s attacks, so there is little from the community that can faze me.
As I said, I understand what you mean and are doing, but you need not fear my “delicate sensibilities.” I know. You're a tough guy and can handle your own--I've seen it. ~Alena
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Post by setiishadim on Mar 26, 2007 9:29:41 GMT -5
Granted, I was away from here for a few days & things got....interesting while I was gone. I do not mean to reopen this argument but frankly Draco I am perplexed. You're a smart guy, and while I may not agree with you on everything, normally you easily hold your own in debate. However, these kind of attacks are beneath you. But I'm seeing this with you also at Order of the Sith. C'mon, you are usually much more diplomatic than this. You alright? ( Thats a real question, not a set-up. lol)
-Seti
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Post by neo on Apr 15, 2007 11:19:52 GMT -5
I think Draco pointed a very good point whether it is actual for Volund or not.
it could be that he comes off as more antagonistic for his post does not comfort anyone in any way... but this is not a problem. we are jedi/sith and is our way not to see things objectively not just through "oh you agree with me, you're good", "you disagree with me, you're bad"
I don't neither read any flaming or attack from Draco's posts, just statements... and no thinking will do harm for you, just face the different possibilities and you'll learn a lot.
Draco brought out a very probable point that most people do not want to see. they don't care about others more than themselves... and for this drive to serve their own feelings can come through helping others. Thus it has nothing to do with light or dark idealisms. but just self service.
It's just an idea. If Volund would avoid thinking about it only then would there be ANYTHING negative here, else it's just a presentation of ideas.
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Post by Alena on Apr 16, 2007 18:56:50 GMT -5
I think that is true. It has been said by some Buddhists that people should channel their selfishness towards helping others, and that a good selfishness can exist where people do things for others because they enjoy it. If you can cultivate that sort of ego, that kind of selfishness--eventually you won't just do it because you enjoy it; you'll do it because you WANT to do it.
Does that make any sense?
~Alena
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Post by Volund Starfire on Apr 19, 2007 23:47:20 GMT -5
It makes perfect sense to me, but it was not worded as eloquently as you did, Neo.
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Post by nicknameless22 on Jun 28, 2007 9:50:34 GMT -5
Before I say anything else here, I suppose I should mention how I got here. I believe that I was browsing through random martial arts related profiles on myspace, and followed a link from Alena's page. This was a week or so back, and so I am not 100% clear on the details. At the time I just bookmarked this forum so that I could later check back to see what it was about. Today I looked around a bit, and found this thread. And now I feel like I need to be healed from the retardedness of it. So, I have two options. 1) walk away. Close the tab in my browser and never return. This is easy. It would probably be my best choice. 2) Question things. There are some seriously "out there" claims in this thread and throughout this forum. I would be lying if I said that I didn't think that these things would be enourmously cool if true, but my internal metering system of BS depth will not just allow me to walk that path. Perhaps the beginning of this post will be viewed as inflammitory. Indeed it probably will. It makes no matter to me. And then again, if the people here have, as a group, reached some kind of zen level of Jedi clarity then these words will not offend and just roll off as water would roll off a duck's back. Regardless of if an individual would think my approach as one meant to cause trouble, I would hope that it would be realized that very near to the totality of society would read this forum and think no more than "What a bunch of kooks!" Do I think this forum is full of kooks? Maybe so, but I am willing to give people here enough of a chance to show that it isn't true. When I was young...stories...King Arthur and his Knights of the Table Round, Robin of the Hood, The Man of La Mancha (Don Quixote)...Return of the Jedi...Dungeon’s and Dragons as a Fighter turned Paladin (back when Elf was a character class)....books by the newest authors about the knights and heroes...Splinter of the Mind’s Eye.Many boys (and girls, although fewer seemingly by nature) get caught up in these ideals. I know I did. That was also when I found that I could influence the way people thought. More accurately, the way they felt.
I began using my new-found abilities to get what I wanted. I began influencing the emotions of girls to become more accepting of my attentions. I began influencing the emotions of the weak to become more subordinate to my will. I began influencing the emotions of the strong to provide sport for my enjoyment (i.e. raising emotions to begin fights just so I would watch them). Then it backfired.
One kid that I was trying to control realized what was happening and came after me. Well, I ran… he had a knife and I was unarmed. I ended up running around a corner and ending up in a dead end. He stalked and struck…
I thought that I deflected the blow when I punched back. Mine was a punch of desperation, but it had an effect I did not count on. I focused everything into a punch to his chest, and when it struck, it completely rendered him unconscious. Well, I found out later that I could do more with people than simply emotions, but that is for later. Right at that point, I had a kid unconscious in front of me and a knife sticking out from my left shoulder. I did mention, that my block wasn’t as effective as it should have been, right? This all sounds like you are working on your fiction writing skills. blah...blah...blah...I used the force like a child and it backfired. Then I got wise Forgive my shortening your post and trivilaizing it. I guess the point I am trying to make is that either your post is 1) and idea for a novel, 2) a fishing expedition that only losers like me might get caught by, or 3) some fantastic truth that most will never believe. So, as joe blow that just tripped across this forum, how might joe distinguish between the three?
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Jun 28, 2007 21:02:42 GMT -5
Nicknameless22 Why do you think it a yarn to punch sombody and knock them out? Pressure points is a scientific fact. Our Special Forces learn this all the time to kill better in war. As to minipulateing people psycology has also been used for years. How do you think that Hitler got to power or V. Lenin. They minipulated people and events and had the right historical condidtions to back them. Lenin was an athiest and could minipulate people so you do not have to believe in magic to minipulate people. There are theories for mind over matter. I can not vouch for all of Valund Starfire ideas because he is another person. I can only truely represent myself. These are just food for thought. I hope you can find something here of value if not I guess you will leave as you stated. Try and look around and see if something is interesting to you and not nutty by your standards. Maybe you should Google the athiest sights, the skeptics, the physics sites and my faverate athiest Carl Sagan site. Einstein is cool too but I found that information from a conventional book that is physically real and off line from the book store. God luck. I hope you find something.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Jun 28, 2007 21:25:05 GMT -5
Curiosity...c'mon, why else would you take time out of your day to write such a long critique? Look around. Soak it in. Sort out your feelings over time. If it is not for you, fine. If you end up liking it, well then you are very welcome to stay.
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Post by nicknameless22 on Jun 28, 2007 21:55:51 GMT -5
Nicknameless22 Why do you think it a yarn to punch sombody and knock them out? Pressure points is a scientific fact. Our Special Forces learn this all the time to kill better in war. As to minipulateing people psycology has also been used for years. How do you think that Hitler got to power or V. Lenin. They minipulated people and events and had the right historical condidtions to back them. Lenin was an athiest and could minipulate people so you do not have to believe in magic to minipulate people. There are theories for mind over matter. I can not vouch for all of Valund Starfire ideas because he is another person. I can only truely represent myself. These are just food for thought. That says it best. My post was in response to some fairly fantastic claims. I do not read the originator as saying he used psychology to manipulate people, or other normal talents to accomplish things. It is in my nature to question it. Yes, I do not believe that this man is weilding "the force" to accomplish what he says, but that is not to stat that I believe it is not possible to do so. I don't know that, but in representing myself and what I know of this world that 'power' doesn't exist. I hope you can find something here of value if not I guess you will leave as you stated. Try and look around and see if something is interesting to you and not nutty by your standards. Maybe you should Google the athiest sights, the skeptics, the physics sites and my faverate athiest Carl Sagan site. Einstein is cool too but I found that information from a conventional book that is physically real and off line from the book store. God luck. I hope you find something. If you would ask me, I would probably tell you that those that follow Christianity are nutty, and those that are athiests are nutty. We're all fairly nutty It's not normally my way to come on quite that strong in an environment I am not familiar with, but in this case I made an exception. A story like that just prompts the response in me of "prove that to me". That's not to say I wouldn't be eternally pleased if it were, but more to say that I don;t think it ever would be In the very least it was entertaining. Thanks for the kind reply
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Post by nicknameless22 on Jun 28, 2007 21:58:34 GMT -5
Curiosity...c'mon, why else would you take time out of your day to write such a long critique? Look around. Soak it in. Sort out your feelings over time. If it is not for you, fine. If you end up liking it, well then you are very welcome to stay. Yep, curiousity. If I wanted to troll, it would be much easier to make up force stories such as this one. And that's not to say it is made up, just that if one were to try to punk a board such as this it would be much more fun to do so by telling stories and see how many ooh's and aah's could be had. I respect that people take this seriously in a spiritual kind of way. Just trying to feel it out
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Jun 29, 2007 16:39:48 GMT -5
I am glad that you came back. I understand where you are comming from because there is a society called the Skeptics Society and they have put their money where their mouth is. They are offering 1 million dollars to the person who can "Use" the force in a proveable manner. I must confess I wish I could satisfy the skeptics because I could sure use the million.
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Post by nicknameless22 on Jun 29, 2007 20:18:48 GMT -5
I am glad that you came back. I understand where you are comming from because there is a society called the Skeptics Society and they have put their money where their mouth is. They are offering 1 million dollars to the person who can "Use" the force in a proveable manner. I must confess I wish I could satisfy the skeptics because I could sure use the million. Hmm...I must start practicing
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Jun 29, 2007 23:29:24 GMT -5
I am glad that you came back. I understand where you are comming from because there is a society called the Skeptics Society and they have put their money where their mouth is. They are offering 1 million dollars to the person who can "Use" the force in a proveable manner. I must confess I wish I could satisfy the skeptics because I could sure use the million. Hmm...I must start practicing I will keep an eye on the Skeptics web site and see if you ever win the million.
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Post by Volund Starfire on Sept 6, 2007 13:52:05 GMT -5
My post was in response to some fairly fantastic claims. I do not read the originator as saying he used psychology to manipulate people, or other normal talents to accomplish things. It is in my nature to question it. Yes, I do not believe that this man is weilding “the force” to accomplish what he says, but that is not to stat that I believe it is not possible to do so. I don't know that, but in representing myself and what I know of this world that 'power' doesn't exist. Ki, Chi, Prana, Juju, Karma, E.S.P., Psionics, Reiki, and any number of other abilities which could be named.
I know that I am sensitive. I scored a 26 out of 30 on a University Parapsychology test. That does not mean that I can read minds or anything of that sort. We all have our various abilities; this illustrates only a few of mine. I am not asking any to believe it, nor am I asking any to read it. I wrote it to answer the question which this thread asked. Period. Whether you believe it or not is not up to me, but up to you.Would any proof I offered not be rejected? It is difficult to prove anything in the online community. I have witnessed a martial artist lift a barrel by only placing his hand on the top of it. I have been part of a demonstration of an Aikido master throwing me across a mat without ever laying a finger on me. I have been in a room with a group of people that could read minds.
Some would say that the barrel was fixed in such a way that it would move. Some would say that I and the other 7 people were faking being thrown. Some would say that the room was only full of people who got lucky in a 30 part parapsychology test and that luck got at least 20 out of the 30 tests correct.
I am not going to say whether it was real or not, because you would have to experience those things yourself to believe them. All I am doing is relating my experiences.Yep, curiousity. If I wanted to troll, it would be much easier to make up force stories such as this one. And that's not to say it is made up, just that if one were to try to punk a board such as this it would be much more fun to do so by telling stories and see how many ooh's and aah's could be had. I respect that people take this seriously in a spiritual kind of way. Just trying to feel it out Ah, yes. I wish to “punk” a board… no, wait… I am currently on about 32 of them. Okay, so I play my little joke and run off… no, wait. I have been active on many of them for about the past three years.
The “claims” I have made are no different from those which others have made. I have met with two people from the Community and have witnessed first-hand that their claims are true. This next summer, I will be attending the Gathering and am looking forward to it greatly.
This is not just an isolated way of having fun, this is the philosophy which I follow. This is how I live, this is how I work, this is how I go to school. I am a Jedi.
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