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Jan 22, 2007 7:00:44 GMT -5
Post by neo on Jan 22, 2007 7:00:44 GMT -5
nothing Alena
as we were talking about social mindset and a different ones. so just to add one more example of unusual self-mirroring/identity.
I think these people would have a very different outlook on war.
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Jan 22, 2007 17:32:10 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Jan 22, 2007 17:32:10 GMT -5
Good answer Starfire. Let me conjure up an imaginary scenario (and possibly future conflict). Country A and B both have the same amount of citizens. Lets say country A has lost all of its resources (extreme I know) and will soon die out. Country B has enough resources only for their citizens. Is it right for country A to attack country B to preserve itself? And please dont think I'm trying to make exceptions to what you all say. I just want to know what you think.
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Feb 6, 2007 18:21:43 GMT -5
Post by trine on Feb 6, 2007 18:21:43 GMT -5
War is inherent when viewing the world and just as peace does it has its periods where it reigns. War itself is natural among different peoples therefore it cannot be evil because there is no evil in things that are natural for nature is all about balance. However the reasons why people start a war can be evil. The potential for the good and evil is within the self. Is a man who maintains peace through tyranny considered good or evil? As for your question with the 2 countries I believe it is completely just that country A attacks country B. It is this struggle that will make both peoples stronger and perhaps lower the populations enough to support all. MTFBWYA -AH
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Feb 12, 2007 19:06:55 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Feb 12, 2007 19:06:55 GMT -5
Hahaha good answer. A very Sith-like answer if I may say so.
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Feb 13, 2007 4:05:14 GMT -5
Post by setiishadim on Feb 13, 2007 4:05:14 GMT -5
Okay, but Trine have you ever heard of "natural evil?"
Natural evil:
This is evil in the world that arises from what we call "natural" events, things that are the result of the way the world operates. This would include earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, disease, birth defects, and other aspects of our world that cause suffering and death.
- Seti
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Feb 13, 2007 17:35:22 GMT -5
Post by trine on Feb 13, 2007 17:35:22 GMT -5
Yes, what I call a sad attempt from believers in the biggest lie, 'peace,' trying to say something is evil when something isn't their pre-determined idea of 'right.' Seriously, you guys say something isn't right or is evil if it isn't like your idea of right. Well, in my opinion, floods, earthquakes, etc is nature herself controlling our population on this small planet. Otherwise we would become overpopulated and drain earth's natural resources far quicker than we already are. Then that leads to war between peoples due to the lack of resources or living space, not that thats evil.
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Feb 13, 2007 20:49:33 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Feb 13, 2007 20:49:33 GMT -5
Ah it sounds like the first line of the Sith code. "Peace is a lie, there is only passion". And I'm sorry to say but it would appear good ol' mother nature's losing this one. Not to my satisfaction of course. I'm a green one myself, I think we need to switch over to alternate sources of power and fast, but then again is the damage already done? Getting back to the subject, no my friend I learned a long long time ago that not everything I disagree with is evil or wrong. It could be said that I sometimes choose to fight what is believed as right just to prove it otherwise.
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Feb 15, 2007 15:46:07 GMT -5
Post by Draco on Feb 15, 2007 15:46:07 GMT -5
It is possible there are too many humans of inferior quality on the earth right now. Prehaps turdmen or for the liberal types turdpeople is a better term? Nature is not losing, as the scales tip there will probably a combo of natures cleaning and war and famine. I think a easy one third of the global poopulation will be no more. Ah it sounds like the first line of the Sith code. "Peace is a lie, there is only passion". And I'm sorry to say but it would appear good ol' mother nature's losing this one. Not to my satisfaction of course. I'm a green one myself, I think we need to switch over to alternate sources of power and fast, but then again is the damage already done? Getting back to the subject, no my friend I learned a long long time ago that not everything I disagree with is evil or wrong. It could be said that I sometimes choose to fight what is believed as right just to prove it otherwise.
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Feb 15, 2007 17:19:46 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Feb 15, 2007 17:19:46 GMT -5
Perhaps, but I think you underestimate the power of humans to survive, but I think the first people to go would have to be the obese. Just speaking Darwinistically.
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Feb 15, 2007 20:29:57 GMT -5
Post by setiishadim on Feb 15, 2007 20:29:57 GMT -5
Yes, what I call a sad attempt from believers in the biggest lie, 'peace,' trying to say something is evil when something isn't their pre-determined idea of 'right.' Seriously, you guys say something isn't right or is evil if it isn't like your idea of right. Well, in my opinion, floods, earthquakes, etc is nature herself controlling our population on this small planet. Otherwise we would become overpopulated and drain earth's natural resources far quicker than we already are. Then that leads to war between peoples due to the lack of resources or living space, not that thats evil. Well first off, who are the "you guys"? Secondly, peace is not a lie. Peace only is a lie. Unless of course, you are suggesting war 24/7 would be a good idea for any country. Additionally, both theists and non-theists accept the concept of natural evil as valid. That does not mean you have to, I merely note the fact of the matter. Lastly, your view of nature would seem to indicate that you believe nature is a conscious being capable of making decisions. - Seti
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Feb 16, 2007 0:12:57 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Feb 16, 2007 0:12:57 GMT -5
Yes I would have to agree with Seti. Nature can and will be suppressed even though it will bring great harm to humans.
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Feb 16, 2007 0:18:24 GMT -5
Post by Draco on Feb 16, 2007 0:18:24 GMT -5
No not all humans just alot of them. Perhaps, but I think you underestimate the power of humans to survive, but I think the first people to go would have to be the obese. Just speaking Darwinistically.
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Feb 16, 2007 9:25:07 GMT -5
Post by trine on Feb 16, 2007 9:25:07 GMT -5
Those to weak to survive on their own don't deserve life. Whats so shameful is that the barbarians in germania could last longer in a blizzard than we could. We've become so dependent on technology that its weakened us far to much.
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Feb 16, 2007 11:37:40 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Feb 16, 2007 11:37:40 GMT -5
I agree.
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Feb 17, 2007 10:52:14 GMT -5
Post by Volund Starfire on Feb 17, 2007 10:52:14 GMT -5
I must disagree. Yes, we are relying on technology a great deal, but with it we are advancing. Every day, more and more discoveries are made in the hard sciences using the technology we have. There are still discoveries in the soft sciences, but they have existed since man first asked "why."
To release technology, and shun it is folly. Without the internet, without the cellular telephone, without the computer, where would we be today?
There was a president in the 1930s (I believe), who closed the patent department and declared "nothing new can be invented, we have invented all there is."
To shun what technology has given us is ignorance. I mean this not as an insult, only as a statement of my beliefs.
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Feb 17, 2007 12:15:27 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Feb 17, 2007 12:15:27 GMT -5
When I agreed I meant that while technology has indeed helped our communication it has hendered our physical bodies. Now only those who seek physical activity get it. Ergo the reason why we have so many obese individuals in our society. I'll even go as far to say that obese individuals disgust me. But going back to the topic, I have no problem with advancements in the fields of medicine and human well-being because these actually help us. Now these (for the life of me I cant remember the name) two wheeled contraptions that people ride around on instead of walking, are just plain lazy and pathetic.
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Feb 17, 2007 23:45:48 GMT -5
Post by trine on Feb 17, 2007 23:45:48 GMT -5
Advisory for wee-children who do not wish to be scarred. Dont read.
It's negative 20 outside my house right now and an germanic barbarian would be swimming in the snow loving it. Me, I need to wear a heavy arse jacket to be able to last a half hour out there. Now thats pretty damn pathetic. Yeah, technology is great in making us weak, our softened skin, can't withstand the harsh winds nearly as much as a hardened warrior. Yes, I would rather be ignorant and sacking cities, raping the women, sacrificing the children, and enslaving the men. Then drinking their blood, eating their flesh, and using their bones as tools and weapons. All the while screaming in the honor and glory of the gods. Now that is far greater.
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Feb 18, 2007 11:18:10 GMT -5
Post by setiishadim on Feb 18, 2007 11:18:10 GMT -5
Advisory for wee-children who do not wish to be scarred. Dont read. It's negative 20 outside my house right now and an germanic barbarian would be swimming in the snow loving it. Me, I need to wear a heavy arse jacket to be able to last a half hour out there. Now thats pretty damn pathetic. Yeah, technology is great in making us weak, our softened skin, can't withstand the harsh winds nearly as much as a hardened warrior. Yes, I would rather be ignorant and sacking cities, raping the women, sacrificing the children, and enslaving the men. Then drinking their blood, eating their flesh, and using their bones as tools and weapons. All the while screaming in the honor and glory of the gods. Now that is far greater. Thats pretty funny. Do you think the"Barbarians" liked the cold? Or didn't wear huge coats made from animals hide & fur? What you just described is a fantasy. A fantasy produced by their enemies, I might add. Read some history. Lastly, if you really believe what you wrote-you're no Jedi. Or did you miss the unwritten Jedi rule against drinking blood, raping women and sacrificing children? -Seti p.s. Actually I'm in agreement with Volund on this one.
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Feb 18, 2007 13:25:57 GMT -5
Post by Darth Necrom on Feb 18, 2007 13:25:57 GMT -5
I must admit we are far weaker than are brethren of old. However we are in turn a lot smarter than they are. But at what cost? Sometimes I feel like we have lost too much in the transformation from ignorant/strong to smart/fat. The key of course is balance. I strive to be both wise of mind and strong of body. I think too often we use the excuse of technology to hinder our developement.
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Feb 18, 2007 13:59:58 GMT -5
Post by trine on Feb 18, 2007 13:59:58 GMT -5
We do use technology as an excuse for our weakness. And Seti-some-other-muslim-sounding-shit, I can tell you are one of the people who abide by a code to its very core, and that you are very dogmatic. I hate your kind who have a set rule and one needs to follow it in order to be this. And I knew the barbarians wore hides, you think I would take european history in college and not know it? But they were alot more resilient to the cold, they could stand it alot better than us. If you want to believe that they were anywhere near as weak-bodied as us then go right ahead. But I haven't spent years studying germanic history to not know what I'm talking about. But since you have some ahabic or riesneiger name then I doubt your intelligence.
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