War?

[Darth Necrom]

I'll attempt to strike up some conversation/ debate with this question. Are all wars evil?

[neo]

are wars necessary?

they more are there because of the ego of those involved, but without this ego we all are human beings and living in this Force.

I see no reason for war.

[Darth Necrom]

So WW2 was not a necessary war?

[neo]

if the sides would not have had such plans and woould have been more jedi minded LOL

but Hitler was to do what he did, and others had to repsond there is no telling that WWII was pointless.

[Darth Necrom]

Yes the problems of war would be solved if everyone thought the way the Jedi did. But wheres the fun in that? If there is no darkness, then where is the light? As long as there are differences between individuals there shall always be war. I'm neither for or against them. I just try to capitalize off whatever happens.

[neo]

as long as there is difference in the mental and spiritual levels of people there always will be struggles.
the majority does not question their first responses so yes it will be so.

but you know the value of light does not depend on darkness.
that only may seem so.

as people are more sense oriented they can not see how to use senses, themselves and others without adding only mental values to everything.
if people would learn to be happy and self-sufficient they would see that nothing can make them feel any worse or bad. only they design how they feel or not. they would notice that all the melodrama is only waste of energy for what... just things that were thought to be the purpose of life will become what... empty melodrama that has no purpose and only makes everyone to be part of the flow without being able to control the flow.

[Darth Necrom]

I disagree. Without good there can be no evil. Without evil there can be no good. If our lifes were perfectly good or perfectly bad than we would not know of good or evil existing. That is why there must be war and there must be peace. That is why people must disagree whether its petty or unimaginably important. We must have times of hardship so we can enjoy the times of success. And as long as their are individuals that hold power there will be those who are both slaved to it and crave it. Humans are superficial creatures who must have something to devote their time to. Whether it be melodramatic or not humans must have purpose, without purpose there is no meaning, without meaning there is no reality, without reality there is... chaos.

[neo]

Humans are superficial creatures who must have something to devote their time to.


it remains true only if no one would take time to question their ways and seek for better ways.

they don't use their mind to face the world. they are sensuous beings. but that is achieved through cultivation. it's is far from natural.

I do know quite a number of non-jedi who live consciously and are aware of the sad fact that people could end all wars and live in a paradise here if they only would unlearn and re-program themselves

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once you start to live in one way or other your brain builds up a network of neurons that store the info about anything what you are and have done.

if you have a sense of self that lives from age 0 to age x to the end then your neurons keep all the info. the brain build up like a biological CPU that process the information you receive at every day. your every later response(as you keep the ego-filter) will be dealt mainly in relation and according to the ways of this previously set up CPU.

is that the so natural drive or calling? it is just that virtually no one except the MF*cking scientist who know that(how it works)

we are not just people who function. we have mechanism without what we would freeze in one place unable to do anything.

each one of us can consciously choose whatever way...

we are limitless

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I wrote this somewhere else and adapted to here.

[Darth Necrom]

neo said:

it remains true only if no one would take time to question their ways and seek for better ways.

they don't use their mind to face the world. they are sensuous beings. but that is achieved through cultivation. it's is far from natural.

Far from natural? Humans are very selfish and war like creatures. Its how we've survived this long. Its pure and simple Darwinism; the weak are consumed to fuel the strong. It happens all the time and not just in a literal sense. If everyone was happy, free, etc (which would be great) than we would be defensless against the agents of sinister forces. Humans must continuosly check themselves against others to make sure they are not completely weak. Competition adds meaning to life. And competition also creates wars. You can't have the good without the bad. While each one of us can consciously make our own decisions, are they trully our own? Or have they been repeated thousands of times through out the ages of man (and animal for that matter). All that we do, percieve, and think comes down to stimulus, instincts, and feelings. If we deprive ourselves of these then we have lost the meaning of life. Hence one of the reasons I am Sith. I cannot deny my feelings and keep them bottled up. I dont deal in what if's. I deal in hard truths.

[neo]

well if that's how you want to see it.

for each their own way.

you can ignore the possibility to re-program oneself and thus the reality is limited only by mind and nothing else.

that is why I never make a grand theory as only practice and results are what matter.

in case it does not seem practical then by ignoring the method to work out of this primal and raw world-view is just a self imposed limit.

and that most people have not been educated about what they can do does not mean their crude ways are inherent.

[Darth Necrom]

Well said. I respect your outlook even though I might not agree with it. We need more acceptance in this world, if anything.

[neo]

acceptance. Well I don't think my acceptance is needed anywhere.



if there are different followers and they want to live like they do then as long as they hurt no one they are free to do anything. that is going to surely be like that in future on this planet... in case we won't nuke the Earth.

my point was more that "each man is animal without knowledge"

not about the only way.

[neo]

also without individual choices and differences,
it wouldn't be interesting on this globe.

[Darth Necrom]

It is not that each man is animal without knowledge. Knowledge tells us useless things. Common sense how ever transforms those useless tidbits into useful machinations.

[neo]

ever heard about children being raised among animals?

without the society to teach anything human being can imagine it pretty much everything except for shark or elephant.

but they can think of themselves as wolves so
even horses.. I mean have known few specimen

[Darth Necrom]

Have there been any recorded cases of this mistaken identity?

[Alena]

necrom said:

Have there been any recorded cases of this mistaken identity?

Yup, if you read about "feral children" it's a real eye opener:

www.feralchildren.com/en/index.php




~Alena

[Volund Starfire]

The basic question you asked, are wars evil, is a very simple question to answer. Yes, wars are evil. However, fighting in a war is not. This is a very complicated situation, but I will try to explain as best as I can with the limits of the written word.

Any person that would willingly start a war on another is, by definition, evil. This is not neccessarily throwing the first punch, because many things can be used to start wars. Ceasing imports, blocading, imposing sanctions for unlawful reasons; these things can start wars.

Now for the alternative. A person who enters a war to defend themselves, their families, or innocents of any kind, are not evil. As a matter of fact, to enter a war for the reason of protecting the greater life of innocents, is a greater good. This may seem odd, but to stand by while innocents are killed is evil, and it makes a person as evil as those killing the innocents.

It is very complicated, but the war itself is evil, fighting in it, depending on why you are fighting, can be good.

As I said, it is complicated.

[neo]

lol and here's the otherkin:
www.otherkin.net/index.html

it's all about imaginary worlds or mental+physical conditioning.

IMO jedi seek to be above such things.

and we really become limitless in our void.

I am not a buddhist, I was, but one thing I don't believe but know from my own experience is that the true nature of our mind is pure silence/void.
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and while in war, well yeah there so many possible situations and conditions IMO it is clear that things are not all parallel...

[Alena]

Neo, I'm confused. What in the world do "otherkin" have to do with children raised by animals?



~Alena