String Theory & The Force

[JeRegretRiens]

This whole discussion is based on my ideas about the Force as prompted by String Theory and The Elegant Universe. See my threads on The Elegant Universe for an overview. But here are the key points as relating to the Force.

String Theory states that everything in the universe is made from tiny vibrating strands of energy, known as strings. This energy may well be the energy we all know as the Force. The ability to use such energy directly would be the ability to alter the Strings and their vibrations directly. Which, considering that all we -are- is these strings vibrating at a certain frequency, is not all that improbable.

For example, when I play my violin, if I play two strings at once, if I have tuned it properly or if it is badly out of tune, it creates -another- vibration, simply by the harmony or dissonance of the two original vibrations. So if we can get ourselves in -harmony- with a different frequency of vibration we can affect it in a positive way. Or if we can get ourselves on a very different wavelength, we can affect the frequency in a negative way.

This concept of Harmony and Disharmony is what fuels the Force's light and dark sides--to direct our own strings to vibrate in Harmony with what we choose to effect is the Light side of the Force; to direct our strings to vibrate vastly out of tune with what we choose to effect would be the Dark side of the Force. Obviously, one requires a great deal of understanding, whereas the other needs to nearly overpower the other to create said effect.

Does anyone else see it this way, or would anyone like to play Devil's Advocate and poke holes in my theory?

[sciwiz12]

I can definitely follow the logic on this one because I tend to follow the line of thought that the darkside is more about control than anger, and the light is more about listening to the force. You also hit onto an interesting subject when you mentioned disharmony and applied the term to the darkside. There are those, at least in the fictional universe who see the darkside as a scar in the force. In working with the darkside it is easy to see this point of veiw. I said that to say that I can find no fault with your logic your reasoning seems to be "sound".

[JeRegretRiens]

I wouldn't say it's a scar or a blight in the Force. I would be more inclined to say it works on dissonance rather than harmony.
Using my violin analogy again... A violin has four strings, G D A E. Using those four strings, I can create some beautiful music, using ALL the notes, from G (since that's the lowest a violin can go) all the way up to the highest sound I can coax out of the instrument, which for me and my violin playing abilities is usually around an octave above the E string. So notes like A flat and D sharp...are very important to me, I need them -all- to make music. But I wouldn't want to tune my D string to D sharp, unless I wanted to cause an unsettling effect.
If that makes sense?

[Empress Palpatine]

To assign "dark" to disharmony and "light" to harmony may be a bit arbitrary. If you want to give a Sith vs. Jedi view of forces of the universe, it may have more to do with a style of approach than the thing itself. A Sith wants power and if using harmony works, the Sith will use it. If disharmony achieves the goal, a Sith will use it.

For example, this is what resonance can do:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yInBM-14Dag&feature=related

(This is part 5. I can link the rest on another thread.)

Does anyone remember the "wyrding module" in Dune? This is similar.

[JeRegretRiens]

Please link all of that? It looks awesome.

I guess you're right about it being a bit arbitrary. But yeah...that's resonance at work on the ordinary scale...ie buildings and wineglasses... What if we could do that at the subatomic level and affect the resonance of the Strings? I think cracking that would be...true achievement on the psychic level.

[Empress Palpatine]

Jan 10, 2009 19:12:04 GMT -5 JeRegretRiens said:

Please link all of that? It looks awesome.

I guess you're right about it being a bit arbitrary. But yeah...that's resonance at work on the ordinary scale...ie buildings and wineglasses... What if we could do that at the subatomic level and affect the resonance of the Strings? I think cracking that would be...true achievement on the psychic level.

Yes, and the person who does it will be the Michael Faraday of the Force!

Check the resources section. I put the rest of the links there.

[JeRegretRiens]

Yay, thank you!

I think being able to alter String resonance is going to be the key to telekinesis and Force lightning and all that.

[Empress Palpatine]

That is exactly what I have been thinking lately.

[grayghost]

despite the analogy to music as the darker being disharmonious and the light side of the force being harmonious, I would like to point out something interesting. Disharmony still follows the same rules as harmony 1-3-5 with minor and major steps. The real struggle is allowing a dissonance to become harmonious within the mind. If an instrument was tuned to all flats and sharps, from the first day of its use it would still harmonize to itself if the rules of all octaves were followed. If the rules were ignored completely, it would merely be an issue of understanding octaves 1-1-1/2-1-1-1-1/2-(1) to establish a dissonant sound into pattern. From pattern-formula-understanding-knowledge-attaching meaning-wisdom

[grayghost]

unity is a different animal altogether. Unity is accepting an interconnectedness despite difference even onto the soul. No one is in complete agreement and though it is sought after it is not obtained, the young warrior seeks to learn from warrior sages and the sages seek to learn the simple innocent nuances of the young warrior and so in this way the young and the old empower one another to greater heights. Disunity comes from a departure. A man or woman must draw their circle in the sand and not be moved from it. Those who are truly dark draw circles that merge into an individual warriors own code (circle) and remove it from them completely making them minion and slave

[grayghost]

Disrupting the waves may have potential, but the one who disrupts it also faces losing his balance directly and thus falling to his own means

[sciwiz12]

Which ironically enough would fall back to the idea of the dark side as a scar or wound in the force because it is essentialy disrupting what ever harmony might have been there. Not that I'm arguing that point, I just thought it was intruiging to note. Anyway, there is one aspect of this conversation which to me appears to lean in the wrong direction, the idea that dark and light must be achieved as a state of mind before it can properly be used for good or evil intent. Not necessarily wrong, but it can cause some unintentional confusion not in and of itself, but simply that those who try to learn but are coming in with the idea that they must achieve the right state of mind first, are essentially placing large obstacles in their path by giving themselves the idea that there is a magical state of mind and putting it up on this huge pedastal with no stepping stones or obvious ways to get from their current state of mind to what they might now percieve as being this correct state of harmony or disharmony. The reality however is that like any skill, using the force takes practice first and foremost. Not to run off in a huge tangent, I just wanted to clarify that those reading should not misinterpret what's being said. That about covers that, I like the train of thought though, very interesting conversation.