What has become of the Sith?

[darthimpala]

Every Sith community is destroyed. All of the Sith communities are all but abandoned. This is the only one I can find that still has a few memebers that are active. For those who seriously want to learn the ways of the Sith have no knowledgeable resource. There is nothing much on the internet besides the Sith communities which are all abandoned. I am one of those serious person wanting to learn the ways of the dark side. I am in the Navy reserve officer training corp and I think that the little disciplines has made our sith communities die. What do I mean? Newcomers either wasn't committed or they weren't serious making the whole thing fall apart. The Sith Holocron has a ton of good information but are left undone and abandoned by Darth Vidyus Silus. Are there no more people that seriously care about passing on the Sith knowledge keeping the Sith alive?

[jedisin808]

There are orders out there that teach the Dark Side.

orderofalignment.b1.jcink.com

[vallen]

More to the point:

It is not the nature of the Sith to exist with any permanence. We fade in and out, we take and reciprocate (when needed), but the main motivation of the Sith is the motivation of the individual stubbornly seeking self perfection of his own making--and this is unique in every situation.

There is only so much to be gleaned from words alone, and in dealing with a thing of no finite substance (such as the Force, the Dark Side, etc.), nothing concrete can be written about its nature, because each and every follower experiences the Force differently--each witnesses a different facet of the whole, with none being any greater than the others.

This could just as easily be a commentary on the nature of religion in general, but to answer your question:

A Sith is first and foremost an individual, therefore your first step would be to accept this individuality and the burden it brings, rather than riding on the backs of others (would-be giants and the like). Forge your own path through and around the woods. To be honest, this site remains intact because no one forces a hierarchy---there are only Guides.

On the note of Discipline:

It takes an immeasurable amount of discipline to accept and be your entire self each and every day without the crutch of the herd. The discipline of the Sith is not the rank and file, but the discipline of the scholar working late into the night alone but for his thoughts.

The burden of the Sith is his solitude--- but there is no other way to truly follow such a path.

-Vallen

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

Jun 17, 2009 20:16:15 GMT -5 darthimpala said:

Every Sith community is destroyed. All of the Sith communities are all but abandoned. This is the only one I can find that still has a few memebers that are active. For those who seriously want to learn the ways of the Sith have no knowledgeable resource. There is nothing much on the internet besides the Sith communities which are all abandoned. I am one of those serious person wanting to learn the ways of the dark side. I am in the Navy reserve officer training corp and I think that the little disciplines has made our sith communities die. What do I mean? Newcomers either wasn't committed or they weren't serious making the whole thing fall apart. The Sith Holocron has a ton of good information but are left undone and abandoned by Darth Vidyus Silus. Are there no more people that seriously care about passing on the Sith knowledge keeping the Sith alive?

Darthimpala

Welcome. I discovered the same thing all the Sith Sites died. Since there are Sith here you are more than welcome to talk to people here. Here both Jedi and Sith talk to each other. What is the Navy Reserve Officer Training Corp? I have a cousin who graduated from Annapolis. What do you do in the Navy? Reserve, does that mean you are part time and have to balance your Navy job with a civilian job? What are you training to become? Good luck in the Navy.

[Empress Palpatine]

I think what has happened is that the Sith on the Sith sites ran out of new things to talk about. They degenerated into petty squabbles. New ground needs to be broken and new discoveries made. I think many are pursuing independent goals and projects. A regrouping may be possible. This board is a good one to check up one once in awhile. I see quite a few take a peek now and then.

[sciwiz12]

I think I may have a way to spark new interest in our ways, gentlemen, listen closely and do give feedback, though I can obvioulsy partially predict your initial reactions, this may help in the way that brainstorming helps one to determine greater courses of action. The logical thing to do here is to take what we know about the calibur of people that usually become sith and interpret why the interest has left. While it's true that some come for the religious and philosophical conversation, many simply wish to learn what is required of them to gain power, and I mean something noticable, tangible, something that makes them believe that all of their hard work and devotion will eventually pay off. Now, at this very moment there happens to be nothing that we can do except congregate to discuss the matter, and we're doing that now, but we need to offer them something that few others offer, basically the clear cut path to success, and use that as the hook to bait the fish so to speak, not to put it calously. Perhaps if there was a working method to achieve some power that seems otherwise unrealistic, and we could together unlock the secrets and provide a fast effective way to learn it, then surely people who are drawn to power, (potential sith), will be driven back in flocks to rediscover what this abondoned path has to offer.

Summary:(read the whole thing and read this if you get confused) Basically come up with a way to teach a "super power" though I use the term loosley, and they will return. "build it, and they will come"

[sciwiz12]

I will be getting a new book anyday now detailing a form of chi kung in which I've displayed a high level of interest. Perhaps it is nothing, however, this maybe the kind of thing that I've been looking for to solve our most recent dilema. I suppose we will all know shortly.

[setanaoko]

For the record, Force Academy (www.forceacademy.co.uk/forum2) still exists (use to be www.forceacademy.com:8080/~force) and we still have an active Dark Council which is open to Sithist and Dark Jedi.

As to the other boards, Order of the Sith(http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=sithdomain) recently had a return of it's founder Darth Draconis. So there SHOULD be more activity there. And last I checked it was either Temple of the Jedi Order or Temple of the Jedi Force has a Sithist rite (it's one of them, just can't remember which). And I believe that Jedi Sanctuary has a place for Sithists as well.

[Empress Palpatine]

Jun 26, 2009 20:07:20 GMT -5 sciwiz12 said:

While it's true that some come for the religious and philosophical conversation, many simply wish to learn what is required of them to gain power, and I mean something noticable, tangible, something that makes them believe that all of their hard work and devotion will eventually pay off. Now, at this very moment there happens to be nothing that we can do except congregate to discuss the matter, and we're doing that now, but we need to offer them something that few others offer, basically the clear cut path to success, and use that as the hook to bait the fish so to speak, not to put it calously. Perhaps if there was a working method to achieve some power that seems otherwise unrealistic, and we could together unlock the secrets and provide a fast effective way to learn it, then surely people who are drawn to power, (potential sith), will be driven back in flocks to rediscover what this abondoned path has to offer.

Summary:(read the whole thing and read this if you get confused) Basically come up with a way to teach a "super power" though I use the term loosley, and they will return. "build it, and they will come"

I think you hit the nail on the head. Sith want something that really works not just philosophizing to try to tell them to accept what they cannot change like the old AA line. I do think if someone comes up with methods that work, old Sith will return and new ones will appear by the droves.

[sciwiz12]

Indeed, and thank you for responding. However I've been stewing over how a subject that takes years to learn could be condensed. I've been using those who I know personally in real life as guinea pigs if you will to see if there is something which can be taught with relative ease in a matter of days that can produce results. When it comes to things like the unbendable arm, it is relatively easy and simple to teach, but it has the unfortunate side effect of being easily dismissed as a parlor trick. More complicated matters such as telekinesis, they seem perhaps so out of reach that people have trouble accessing those abilities without extensive training. This is where the problem comes in to play, nobody has the time or energy to spend hous practicing so they can bend spoons and move pencils. So then the question becomes, what seperates someone who can preform those feats of mental strength, and one who is considered to be ordinary. All of these are questions which my "testing" hopes to provide answers for. So far I have used hypnosis along with various other means to try and produce results with little success. Again, perhaps when the book that I mentioned previously arrives, it will shed light on this dilema. But if any of you have aquired a skill which is, needless to say, beyond the norm and clearly as a result of your practice, please share with me what differences you notice in your state of mind from before you possesed any skills and afterwards as well. I have however been looking into other resources, people with abilities, but unfortunately those out there who are practicing psychics wield great potential knowledge with little helpful advice. As time passes on, it seems to come down to how much knowledge can be aquired.

[Empress Palpatine]

Observation and experiment will have to be done. It is always hard when you are attempting to do things which have not been done before (or known to be done).

[sciwiz12]

I finally have the book, I will share what information I recieve on some of the threads but when it all comes together or I think of ways to condense it an the time it takes then I will let those of you know who are interested and are reading this thread.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

Mystical pursuits in the modern age is hard because alot of the information of how to practice is lost. We have books and legend but in today's world no one can really do what is promised in most esoteric books. The results are dubious at best. The problem lies with the method that the ancients chose to practice their craft. They kept the secrets and taught only a few disciples at a time. This meant it was easy to loose this information. We have fragments of knowledge actually. The ancients really believed in this stuff because they were systematically taught over an extended period of time. They were taught how to do things, not just to believe something because I said so. Today years later the real knowledge is lost so we have to systematically start from scratch. This is routine, tedious and many hours are required in trial and error.

Many people are skeptical as to weather this will work. Many have already tried and failed. To even have a chance at even beginning to break ground in this area, you would have to approach this project like scientists do. You have to test things one at a time. Science took years to develop into the institution it is today. If you do succeed than you would want to make universities to teach as many as possible so as not to loose the knowledge a second time.

Science is about many people over many years making small moves systematically in order to discover something. The same is true for any of the mystic arts. Today's questions become tomorrow's facts. That is how science works. I think the same is true for this. You can only get one step at a time. Modern people are not used to waiting for anything in this world of instant messaging. With computer things come so fast that we are already board if we waited just 10 minutes. Sages spent life times learning just one discipline. Dammo spent 9 years staring at a spot on a wall to obtain enlightenment. So patients is a prerequisite.

I think we the modern world are at the beginning of the mystic world. Everyone talks like they know it all but in reality modern people do not or someone by now would be good enough to prove the existence of such stuff to the skeptics. The sooner people acknowledge the fact that we are starting from scratch the sooner discovery can be made.
It is tough to start a brand new field. But esoterically we are as far back as when someone first noticed that electricity moved a magnet but why? That is where we actually are. Once this humble fact is excepted those who are the first to discover this new world can begin.

[sciwiz12]

In many ways, yes, we are starting from scratch, and yes, patience is required for the most part. But I suppose (for better of for worse) that the reason I am trying to learn what I can from the past and condense it is because I want a free fast way to teach it that anyone can understand. Everything that works and is effective probably costs money and definitely is scarce, you have to dig to find anything useful. Sometimes things just cost money, and still don't work. Most of what is out there that doesn't cost money also doesn't work and is probably from people who really don't know what they are talking about. If you find something that is free and supposedly works, it is so hard to understand because there is no back and forth dialouge, so the teacher can't break down the teachings, cuz it some video or obscure blog entry. It is so flustering that I sometimes sit back and just ponder that which you so bluntly and directly put as being the problem. Are the majority of our secrets lost to the ages, have we really just kept so poor record of things that we no longer know how to do anything spectacular. But I think I have figured out what is truly at issue, not so much that the secrets have been lost, it is that the few who actually can do something amazing, worth while and spectacular, become either obscured and passed off as hoaxes by the general public, or they charge money to label a profit in which case they aren't so secretive as to be passed off as myth or hoax, they inherit a worse title as frauds and perhaps extortionists by most. Those who don't consider them to be simply greedy frauds out to strike it rich are probably the people who are so engrained in their own fantasies that they will believe anyone who claims to be a master. All of that being said, the book I purchased wasn't simply so I could learn from the ancient masters, it was to gain some perspective or insight, basically an opportunity to look at it from a new point of view, perhaps even find something unexpected that may help me to derive my own answers and make use of them. But the real end goal, the reason that I had even started out on these psychic, jedi/sithist, psionic etc... forums was to find the key to unlocking powers beyond even my wildest imaginings and then to make all of it known to the world at large, or to take it to those who need it most, those who may use it to make themselves healthy or for self defense and give it to them for free basically, no strings attatched. The sooner I can figure out how to do all of this, the more contented I think I will be.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

If contentment is what you are looking for than you are in luck because there are many books on techniques of meditation. Calming meditations is done today. This is a reachable goal because there are many books on meditation. You can also meditate to gain enlightenment and detachment. These are reachable today. You may want to buy a used book because it is out of print called "Book of Secrets" by Bhagwan Shree Rashniesh. In it there is about 114 different techniques to meditate.

The hard thing would be anything like where you attempt to levitate objects or try to move things without touching them. These skills are at present legend only or movies like Star Wars.

[sciwiz12]

Sorry, I should have been keeping my dialouge more constant I suppose to give you guys updates but I have been a little distracted with my own troubles. At any rate, I don't know who told you that moving objects with your mind is legend or anything, it is hard to learn, and isn't very practical, has few if any applications at present just because most telekinesis is so flimsy that the most it can do is basically knock over objects at the other end of the room, or at least that is the most I have witnessed at present. Anyway, I have been reading the book and it gave me a bit of the insight I was hoping for. Perhaps you may find this interesting. I have come to the conclusion, partially on my own, but it is really more of an adaptation of philosophy based on what the book has been discussing. Perhaps the focus of our excersizes has been largely misplaced while we have been under the assumption that obtaining these powers starts at the mind. I now have reason to believe that the mind and body may be filled with certain pollutants or toxins from stress and daily living. Also the stress that we put onto our hearts and organs with the, pardon the accuastion, lazy manner in which most of us breath. Perhaps there are certain ways that one may breath or stand so as to clense the body and mind, even "chi" pathways so to speak so as to allow for more focus on many different levels. For instance, a simple change in the way in which I breath has enabled me to do excersizes that normally I would struggle with, such as pushups in which one may have been a challange, but within a day or so, I can easily do 15 without breaking a sweat. So perhaps it isn't that we aren't capable, but that we are held back by our own polluted and foggy minds. I will see if there are similar meditations posted, and if not I will post some excersizes from the book.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

You are basically correct. We are "Lazy" with breathing because we are taught that by our parents. Remember when we were young children we used to take our breath as far down as the belly. Mom then yelled at you and you began to breath as adults do. So you have hit a certain truth. It does help remove some toxins by breathing deeply in the manner you describe. It also does not hurt to drink lots of water and other liquids such as barley greens to clean the system of toxins. This will at least help on a basic chemical level. This is the bottom line which is most essential. Breathing right plus exercise helps clear the mind and enhances abilities especially in thinking.

[sciwiz12]

Well, I know I must have made it seem like it was mostly about clensing the body. In truth that is only part of it. The true aim is to pack chi and also replace fat with chi through out the body and mainly inbetween layers of the fascia. Once you do this you will have greater energy reserves from which to pull while attempting telekinesis etc... But once you have alot of chi inbetween layers of the fascia then you will be, suffice it to say, unbreakable, hence the term iron shirt, or if you are a girl then they call it iron skirt.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

My familiarity with Iron Shirt practices was more physical than what you are referring. Usually the person who wants iron shirt you use an abrasive action on your chest to make it get callus and tough similar to how you get iron fist by making a fist and punching it in abrasive sand for a long time. This creates a sort of thick padding on the fists and other body parts that you do similarly to.

[sciwiz12]

Iron shirt it self is basically the general concept for making your body harder and more indestructable. The key is "chi kung" or "breathing work" because the daoists thought of the air as being the same as chi or as the source of it. We now understand air to be a mixture of gaseous particles that make up the breathable and inhabitable portion of the atmosphere, and chi has become referred to as energy, though in truth, it isn't really that either. Chi kung, and nei kung are used in conjunction and it is what gives people like shaolin monks and many other class or warrior their amazing abilities. Though in truth I would have preferred to learn mo pei nei kung because I am more familiar with it's practice. Never the less, mantak chia (author of the book I read) essentially from what I understood, went to the daoists and learned their style of iron shirt (aka chi kung). With mo pei you learn to differentiate between yin and yang energy, and then you bring them both into the dantien region. With Iron shirt chi kung, you learn grounding, chi packing (in the dantien), bone breathing, etc... Essentially the process of iron shirt chi kung has the same goal with a different path. Instead of hitting yourself for years, you dedicate yourself to the postures and breathing of iron shirt, opening up the blood vessels and energy pathways, streangthening certain channels like you would do in the micro cosmic orbit, and you also pack energy into the dantien from breathing and grounding. So I suppose it's the same, if you are of the oppinion that yin can be taken from the air and that yang can be absorbed through the earth. Anyway, I understand the difference between a skilled master and the people who feel the force but believe that they cannot have amazing powers. The key is, how well does energy flow through you, and how much have you mannaged to store. Many of you probably know how to use the force, but it is like knowing how to flex your arm before there is any muscle on it (not much of a show). If I had to break down how it works, you learn to take in more air (and more positive energy) with the breathing excersizes, you learn how to absorb negative energy from the earth below, and you also improve your energy's ability to flow through your body with the stances. Alot more goes into the practice of course, but for the general concept, it isn't about how much practice you get willing your energy to do things, it is more about how much you have, and what kind it is. More body and energy than mind, though mind does direct the energy, but I digress.