The edict of pathos

[sciwiz12]

I am giving a name to a philosophy that I've long carried about the darkside. A re-interpretation of the code, there is no peace, there is only passion. Passion, a word derrived in part from the greek word pathos or "emotion", should be thought of as any intense emotion, rather than simply rage and anger. The outer world is in part a reflection of the inner world, and so by fueling yourself with hatred, you will undoubtedly bring yourself much turmoil, even if by chance you do bring some power. The edict of pathos is to hold any desirous thought along side the happiness and joy. Hold the thoughts in mind, keep them there for as long as possible, as many days as need be, but to maintain such strong emotion is to fuel the process of manifestation, thus resulting in the objects of desire. The edict of pathos is the path to success, especially for the sith, who supposedly practice a code that preaches passion.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

This may sound like a contradiction but, "if it works." I noticed that detachment works for me. If I hold lightly to something it does not run away. The more I desire some thing the faster it disappears. I have been traveling the path to knowledge and science which engages the logical faculties. This encourages cool detachment. A level head makes better decisions.

[sciwiz12]

hahahahahaha, detatchment is the jedi way, I like more to use passion, I seem to recall something like that in the code, not that it's exceedingly credible. In the end it is unlikely in my mind that emotions have any but a believed effect on the force, so I can appreciate that you with your highly scientific mind are far more comfortable using reason, which as a result, produces the best effect. I'm agreeing with you in this case "if it works". At the same time, I have seen what an angry mind or a dark mind can do to a person and for a person. I really want this to be seen by those who feel anger is the way to power, or any darker emotions, because despite the logical following of the idea that you should do what works, what price must be payed before someone realizes they have turned on themselves, and as a result, have failed to make anger work. I assert that few born in westernized society will be able to find that anger works, because most the popular practice is to teach children the ill effects of anger. It is engrained into our minds for all intents and purposes, and the odds of finding successs against what we've always been told is slim.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

sciwiz12
Good point. I can not argue with you there. When I was younger anger worked better for me. But at my age even the doctor warns of high blood pressure for maintaining a long standing state of anger. I am learning to be cool for my physical health sake. Not that I am not capable of getting really angry. My temper and hate can boil as much as Anakin did on Mustafar. So I am not claiming cool headedness as a "moral" high ground since I too can get very mad and if looks could kill I have given that stare many times through out my life. So I never condemn a man or woman for having great anger. It is the simple fact of being an old Sith. If it were not for my health I would still have a great temper. So no rocks being thrown from me. So if your anger is working and you are still young enough so your heart is not effected, go for it. Use it well and enjoy your great victory.

[sciwiz12]

Nor would I condemn the man for anger, I would condemn the anger for what it does to the man. It is an emotion that causes destruction internally and prompting the angry to cause destruction externally. Hence the idea that rather than anger which destroys, if one were to choose the passionate sith way, let it be joy, or something constructive. I'd rather be rich in paradise with my enemy still standing below me than have all the power to destroy the ones I hate and be destroyed in the proccess. Well, that's the basic premise anyway, of course any strong emotion impacts the body, causing physioligical symptoms, but a more reserved level of happiness can theoretically bring success. Not that I'm not well accustomed to anger, which I agree with your assessment of it, in so far as it is damaging and we all get angry.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

In this world joy comes far too rarely. I do not believe in manufacturing joy like I used to hear. The old be happy when all goes wrong kind of thing. That just makes me puke. That to me is fake, a three dollar bill.

[sciwiz12]

Hahahahaha, but you see my friend, succumbing to dark emotions may feel better, may seem like the right way to react or feel, but I know for a fact that it brings trouble. It is fake on one level, then again, all of your emotions are fake, you don't really have emotions in the way you percieve them, you have chemicals in the brain which tell you how you think you feel. So if someone seems to be joyful, thinks that they are joyful, when by all means they should be upset, who is to say their emotions are fake while your bitterness or anger or jealousy or what have you is real. I've seen happy people become livid, I've seen angry people who are so tired of being pushed around that when something bad happens it's like water off a ducks back and they're just smiling on through, and between the two of them, the one who at least acted happy had the better day.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

Yawn, I heard that sermon all too often in church. Don't worry be happy even when things stink. I can see the value of total detachment so you are like "Spock" unfazed but this false cheery, cheery I just do not buy it like I do not take wooden nickles. People also notice the fasleness of that because your smile and expression looks plastic when you do that. I have heard many people talk about the person after they left and by their comments, they did not buy it. So all you will do is get caught as a fake and people will not trust you. That is from real life experience.

[sciwiz12]

somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, you're not usually so... I don't really have much of a way to describe it other than hyper critical. I suppose I'm used to a more objective mrs. darth vader rather than one who is quick to denounce the philosophies of others, hahahahahaha, in any case, I suppose I'm obligated to defend my position. In some ways you have a point, clearly if I was unphased by emotions all of the time, I simply wouldn't be human, however, should one begin to thing, it is easy to reduce such things to a logical level. For instance, if someone punches me, I'm inclined to punch them in turn, however if someone insults me, I can analyze their behavior, the only object preventing that potentially is the race to get to logic before emotion. It's more a matter of conditioning that natural behavior, call it fake if that's what you believe, I honestly believe you will continue to argue on this matter, it is fruitless in that case to reply.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

I will punch someone who punches me as well. My emotions like any one else can run ahead of my logic. I too get enraged. Sorry I got costic. It is just that I have been preached to always be happy when everything goes wrong all too often. This be happy doctrine has been used to support blatant abuse, especially down south, in the Bible belt. But if you have actually mastered it and when people torment and abuse you and you still actually smile because you are happy with that, than they will know that your smile is genuine and you will succeed. No I will not continue to argue the point since it is clear you want descussion terminated.