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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Jan 8, 2007 20:18:35 GMT -5
A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it can not be so refined, so leisurely and gentile, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of voilence by which one class overthrows another. Mao Tse Tung, 1927. This is a good philosophical point of view.
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Post by setiishadim on Jan 9, 2007 13:37:46 GMT -5
Yet revolution has its own attendant dangers. Nietzsche I think summarized it fairly clearly. "A delusion in the theory of revolution. -- There are political and social fantasists who with fiery eloquence invite a revolutionary overturning of all social orders in the belief that the proudest temple of fair humanity will then rise up at once as though of its own accord. In these perilous dreams there is still an echo of Rousseau's superstition, which believes in a miraculous primeval but as it were buried goodness of human nature and ascribes all the blame for this burying to the institutions of culture in the form of society, state and education. The experiences of history have taught us, unfortunately, that every such revolution brings about the resurrection of the most savage energies in the shape of the long-buried dreadfulness and excesses of the most distant ages: that a revolution can thus be a source of energy in a mankind grown feeble but never a regulator, architect, artist, perfector of human nature....(Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human, vol. I, sec. 463, tr. Hollingdale) Just my two cents worth. - Seti
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Jan 10, 2007 23:21:49 GMT -5
Thank you for your 2 cents. Just curious, why do you defend the status quo? are you doing so well that this society is ok to you? I would think you would be a revolutionary because of your intelogence. You are clearly very smart, no question about that. Smart people in America are usually unappreiciated. I have met many smart people who work for McDonalds and should be more valued than that. I wish smart people would run America but as you see by the White House we have "Numnuts" in there instead. You should be at least in congress. I think you get my point that I have seen toomany smart people in not good spots in this society. I do not like the fact that the stupid people are running things while smart people have been effectively silanced.
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Post by setiishadim on Jan 13, 2007 8:13:04 GMT -5
I am really not supporting the status quo with Nietzsche's quote. I am merely offering a different perspective. The essence of Nietzsche's point is at the end of the quote. In other words, simply overthrowing one class in the favor of another does not produce more justice. It merely brings the low man on the totem pole to the top. You are not creating a whole new pole-you are merely changing positions on the old pole. Thus the old cycle begins again. I think Nietzsche was saying that for the Ubermensch ( Idealized & realized post-human) to arise, the human being him/herself must change, rather than replacing social orders. I think revolt is important as a piece of the pie but too many revolutionary leaders get so focused on toppling the present order that these other pieces get lost along the way. Incidently, I am on the lowest end of the totem pole so I am far from well off. To tell you the truth, my wife & I fight to survive month to month & I am disabled. But then again, the Sith in me refuses to surrender or give up. I dont know if thats being smart or me just being stubborn as hell. lol - Seti
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Post by Darth Necrom on Jan 18, 2007 18:41:51 GMT -5
I trully believe things have not become bad enough to talk of revolution. I believe we are heading down a path that will change the world and not for the better. I give us 4-5 more years and see how things are then. I say 4-5 more years because if things have not changed in that amount of time then there will be no change at all. I, too, have grown quite weary dealing with attitudes that focus on things that have no real worth. I walk around school all day hearing the trully smart people being rediculed by people that may be "book smart" but have no common sense. I'd rather have common sense over book smarts any day of the week.
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