taeman3
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Post by taeman3 on Nov 10, 2009 14:55:45 GMT -5
Even though most Sith decide that they would rather use good emotions to bring success there are times when you have a build up of bad emotions. My advice is to use the emotions to your advantage. Instead of lashing out in hate and focusing on how much you hate someone focus on how much satisfaction you are getting and how happy you are to be getting the unwanted emotions off your chest. I would only use this in an extreme situation like you’re being mugged or abused, etc. If you use this technique too much you may begin to rely on it too much and eventually all those bad emotions will come back to haunt you, but if you only use it on very rare occasions when the emotions do come back they will be minor and easy to get over.
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sciwiz12
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Post by sciwiz12 on Nov 10, 2009 18:41:33 GMT -5
Well, on the surface I'll admit that sounds like a good idea, but typically such stress inhibits ones ability to commune with the force. I am well aquainted with anger, time seems to go faster with such a release of furry, and with that comes an inability to fight with your head. I will say this, rage gives you quite a regenerative ability over time, with a resistance to pain. You will be able to take some heavy blows, when you should of course be dodging, and rush in like a bull when you should be anticipating. It feels better to approach such things in anger, but the consequences are stupidity, and they are more immediate than most realize.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Nov 11, 2009 15:37:39 GMT -5
teaman3 this sounds like a good Jedi technique for getting rid of anger. I have been to many New Age seminars that advise just that. Usually they advise dispelling the negative emotions in the ground by use of a crystal. If this technique works for you there is no danger in just dispelling those emotions so you do not have to wait until something is as extream as your example given. I found the only flaw in that technique, for me anyway, is it does not always work when I am totally enraged. I usually flow with my feelings until I no longer feel that way. Always be honest to your self how you feel about some thing. Never stuff your emotions or go into denial mode as this leads to sicknesses like cancer. Then you should be alright.
sciwiz12 Anger only leads to stupidity if you lash out at another person when walking away will work better. Here it is better to do a brisk walk, chop wood or some other way to use up your fight or flight adrenalin that the body makes when fear or anger is ignited. Only fight when there is no other choice. The reason you have to walk away is because the modern world is different than it was in the days when guys were allowed to have fist fights. Back in the 1960's and before you were allowed to have a fist fight with another guy to resolve a conflict. This was a healthy outlet back then because after the fight ended many times the two combatants became friends and had a drink on it. This allowed men to be who they are with out going too far. Today this out let is not allowed so many men are stuck with this pent up anger that one honest fist fight could solve. Of course this was the days when a fist fight was a healthy out let. No one tried to kill or permanently maim the other fighter. There were hidden rules that each combatant fallowed. Today it seems no one wants to fallow these rules and society wants to prosecute offenders quickly.
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sciwiz12
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Post by sciwiz12 on Nov 11, 2009 18:48:21 GMT -5
Well, you're right that fighting is generally looked down on as a way to settle disputes outside of a ring where it can be stopped before someone dies (most of the time). Of course in this scenario, we aren't referring to petty arguments, we're referring to taking advantage of anger to fuel the force and in so doing save yourself in more life threatening situations. Also, it is true that dispelling your anger, such as your example in which those doing the dispelling didn't focus on anger to aid themselves, but actually removed it, almost like throwing away moldy bread instead of trying to poisen your enemies with it. In one scenario, we have those manipulating energy who send it away, in the first we have someone whose life is threaten and who invokes anger, bringing it too themselves, and using that to fuel greater power.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Nov 25, 2009 22:23:03 GMT -5
Ok we are agreed if you are in a life threatening situation one would want to summon up all the anger that you can muster and fight to get out of that spot. Here you must defeat your adversary.
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sciwiz12
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Post by sciwiz12 on Nov 26, 2009 9:43:13 GMT -5
Potentially, in order to get adrenaline pumping, etc... but again, in a life threatening situation, you either are well connected to the force like the fictional starwars characters who can sense what will happen before it happens, or the force doesn't matter because it's impractical in quick life or death situations. You could summon anger, but summoning up the force for any reason tends to (for myself at least) take a bit of time and concentration. If you're able to call the force to yourself in that situation it still wouldn't do one much good if they are so afflicted with rage that they cannot percieve how they might use the force wisely. Unless concievably they had a well honed intuitive sense, in which case I suppose such gut calls would be easier to make on the spot. Still, anger is not conducive to thinking straight, and using your head is usually conducive to staying alive.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Dec 7, 2009 1:11:55 GMT -5
I remember when I was young I had the natural ability to sense not to even go in an erea if there was danger there. I never got into situations where I would have to summon great strength or anything because like a cat I would just turn the other direction in advance. Now that I am old my senses are dull so who knows what bad luck awaits. I sure miss being young.
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sciwiz12
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Post by sciwiz12 on Dec 7, 2009 19:23:32 GMT -5
hahahaha, unfortunate that time progresses so... Cheers to youth, a lover so quick to leave us all. It is a blessing to have a youthful body and mind, however I fear that so much of my time is spent trying to understand the world around me that I may never be young, hahahahahaha, the irony. There are 70 year olds that act younger than I as well as 10 year olds that act older. I think the sadest part is that even though life is the greatest gift one may recieve, the longer you use it, the more drain it puts on you. They say stress will only make that go faster. I'm already telling stories of times where I was able to do something profoundly astonishing which I can no longer do, and as I recall, those times when I could perform such feats were filled with wishes that I could go back farther to when my feats were much the greater in seeming. I once heard my grandfather say something to me long ago, that at the time seemed absurd, but now has only wisdom in it. He told me once on my birthday that by the time I was 70 I would be older than most people my age, and it took me a second to realize that if I was 70 then I couldn't be older than most 70 year olds, especially with my birthday so late in december, so I chalked it up to a simple joke. I'm not even at the halfway point of my life and already it seems like I am an old man at times, and I see people around me who are my age but older. When I think about it, people are almost like stars in that respect, they burn brightly for a time, but that light dims into a dull red as time progresses and they burn off all of their fuel until there is not enough of that original spark, and upon their death, what is left but a gap my friend used to be. One rule of life seems to be that you can't live forever, no matter who you are, no matter how powerful, how wealthy, how divine, all men and women and children die. Scientifically we observe this and deduce that it's not so strange, but from the fundemental "laws" of our universe, shouldn't we be able to continue living forever. Life only needs energy, and from that energy our cells may reproduce, more of use is born every second of every day. You might think that by consuming enough energy, from our food, both plant and animal, that we might continue indefinitely. Yet it seems that nobody has yet reached that point, even men in world religions, jesus and buddha and the like, the 8 chinese immortals, shouldn't someone still be around today from ancient times long past if those stories have even a grain of truth, and if none of them do, why have religions, why have philosophies, why follow the force or the teachings of god. We can never truly obtain anything, what you hold in your hand today is not yours, and when you die is when that fact comes to light. Why then, what's to say it isn't all make believe, what's to say human beings aren't wishful creatures born into a miserable existance. If the world were random, and an entity were born, which in reality was a random occurence, something that just came to be from a convergence of matter and energy which gave birth to life and life gave birth unto itself. Then one day, one of those living organisms obtains a measure of self awareness, understanding, emotions, logic. All of these things passed on through a need to preserve that self which it could only recently reflect upon. To think that over millions of years one branch of the animal kingdom progressed until it could look at itself in a mirror and wonder "what am I?" only to realize that the answer can be found on the periodic table of elements. Oh the humanity, is the ego, the self, really there at all. If our existence is random, if we are made of carbon and oxygen and nitrogen etc... then what do you mean, what are you indeed, you could say that you are your body, but that body is not really bob or sarah or what-have-you. When bob is sad, his body feels nothing of sadness, when bob loses a friend, his body has no friends, even his mind has no friends. A friend doesn't really exist, nor does a lover, those feelings are chemicals in the brain, they are illusions and falsehoods. There is nothing really there to feel them, it is a closed circuit, you have sensations in your body, an inexplicable overwhelming something that can be described through no other means than by giving it a title of a thing that isn't there. Like a computer that registers bits of code, granted our laptops have no self awareness, nor awareness of eachother. We through evolution have reached a level of complexity that can't be recreated by the hand. Makes things interesting, the beauty of a snow flake, really there is no beauty, there is a chemical in your brain, and when certain synapses fire, you percieve sensations in your body, perhaps muscles loosen, and you call this a feeling, and from this you register that you believe a snowflake to be beautiful. Life would have no purpose and no meaning, "you are here" "why?" "there is no why, reason was created by people and the universe doesn't need it, matter and energy collide, things happen". Our societies and our cultures, great civilizations of the world would be based on little more than our own perceptions that we seek to sate to nourish our starved sense of who we are when the plain and simple truth is that we aren't. You are code, "YOU" are a shadow, a reflection of reality, the you that has thoughts and feelings, friends and loved ones, that is just electricity firing in certain patterns, in fact oddly enough, why does the positioning of synapses and neurons help to constitute a thought. Kinda makes you wonder if you don't just need the shape to make it work. As long as it can change continuously, the shape of a brain makes up you, it's a mathematical phenomenon to say the least, you are part energy and part form, those two factors combined cause the human condition. However if we are something more, if there isn't anything in the brain that can make a person, if you reason that having all of the same parts and pieces to make a living, breathing human being would still produce only an empty shell, if there is an eternal soul, something that is unphased by the test of time, something that acknowledges beauty on another level outside of sensation, something that has friends, something that loves. If you are something simple yet without being a fluke of nature, then you have a reason to explore, to live life to the fullest, sadness and happiness aren't just chemicals, there's something more, you are something more. Our beliefs and practices, we base these ideas on a history of what for all intents and purposes are just fairy tales, but if these don't have a grain of truth, then human life means nothing, meaning itself ceases to be, because the only possible things which might dictate meaning, human beings, would not really exist in the way we think of them. Judeo christianity teaches that 12 men walked with jesus and performed miracles outside of human reason, and that jesus himself was limited by absolutely no law which we consider today, he could reach through the very gates of death and pull you back from wherever your soul may rest, he could walk on water, and wield powers that some scientists scoff at while the others try to replicate it. Buddhists tell of how siddhartha guatama apparently flew high into the sky with no apparent force to lift him, just to prove a point. These men and others ascended to the heavens in flashes of golden light, with no apparent remains, no apparent traces other than what teachings seemed to remain. Jesus supposedly left behind the shroud of turin, which has an irradiated imprint of his face on it from when he ceased to carry a physical form so to speak. If these feats cannot be done by man today, then why do those stories have relavence, many believe in god, believe that the appostles performed amazing miracles, but no man can do those same feats today. We can potentially assume that the gods were real but that the amazing stories were all made up to prove that gods power, but if that god never displayed such power, then what is there really to suggest that they existed. Now here comes the tough question, to almost anyone who has a religion, obviously outside of this one which has no stories from long ago, if the men in those stories did that stuff a long time ago, why can't we today? Or is it that we can but don't know how? Or is there even someone alive today who does know how, perhaps many, and somehow these people have yet to be noticed. Maybe we even have noticed them, I'm sure a few of you have watched the videos about the magus of java or dynamo jack as they call him in the videos, then a few might have seen the video I sent of the african shaman appearing to levitate, and is incredible as these things might seem to our sofisticated minds, isn't that the power and knowledge we are looking for, the power to set fire to things, to shock people's bodies with what seems to be electricity, to move things with the power of our minds. What then, what is the secret, is there a secret, is there any man who can wield such powers, if so how are they doing it, and if it can be replicated then can it go further? If you practice jediism or sithism, you would be hard pressed to get me to believe that you didn't believe such powers existed, and even perhaps that you seek how they may be done, but aren't able to find the person that can fly and make fish reproduce like lightning, it makes the power seem oh so impossible. But I suppose that's what any system of beliefs is founded on, accepting the impossible.
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sciwiz12
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Post by sciwiz12 on Dec 7, 2009 19:24:13 GMT -5
p.s. longest rant to date, can't really summarize that too well, but I don't suggest you read it all.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Dec 18, 2009 23:36:09 GMT -5
Wow!! You sure said a mouth full. It would have helped the reader if you put in a paragraph or some sort of space once and a while. I had trouble reading it without either re-reading the same one or skippping by accident spots.
The first part reminded me of an old rock song called "Dust in the Wind". Or The "Voice" in "Morals and Dogma". We do have an electromagnetic field inside of us and it extends out ward. Energy does exist forever and when you die this electromagnetic field leaves the body and exists forever. Weather it has consciousness is yet to be proven but E=mc squared does prove that mass and energy are interchangeable. What can be done is a matter of genetics combined with the laws of physics.
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sciwiz12
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A fool will lead you astray and all of mankind are fools.
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Post by sciwiz12 on Dec 19, 2009 0:15:46 GMT -5
Hahahahaha, yeah well, I have a bad habit of running on a bit I suppose, as for what you've said, I find the electro magnetic field part interesting, you're gonna have to tell me where you found that, because I wasn't aware of such a field, though I've heard many times of the bio electricity produced by our brains. Existing forever and ever... mmm... energy does continue, but in the same form past death, not so sure about that, again, you'd have to show me where you got it. I swear I'm not questioning whether what you say is true, I just am curious to see for myself. It does make me think however, we can never really validate most of what we say, and to go beyond the fact that we have only our first hand experiences and pure conjecture to prove the existence of the force as we believe it exists, well I supose it is non-sense, you always make me think mrs. darth, thank you very much.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Dec 25, 2009 13:33:44 GMT -5
sciwiz12 I will have to get back with you for the answer because I have to re-look at the science books I read and find my under linings. I do not always remember page and number or which book I got it when posting. And since there are many books involved especially about Relativity. Off my head as to the electromagnetic field in and around us I want to say Nikola Tesla but I will check to make sure.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Dec 25, 2009 22:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Dec 26, 2009 0:28:30 GMT -5
There is electricity in our brains. And according to Galvani it courses threw our bodies as well.
“The human brain(apart from the cerebellum, which does not seem to be involved in cognitive functions) contains about ten billion switching elements called neurons.(The cerebellum, which lies beneath the cerebral cortex, toward the back of the head, contains roughly another ten billion neurons.) The electrical currents generated by and through the neurons or nerve cells were the means by which the Italian anatomist Luigi Galvani discovered electricity. Galvani had found that electrical impulses could be conducted to the legs of frogs, which dutifully twitched; and the idea became popular that animal motion(“animation”) was in its deepest sense caused by electricity. This is at best a partial truth; electrical impulses transmitted along nerve fibers do, through neurochemical intermediaries, initiate such movements as the articulation of limbs, but the impulses are generated in the brain. Nevertheless, the modern science of electricity and the electrical and electronic industries all trace their origins to eighteenth-century experiments on the electrical stimulation of twitches in frogs.” Page 42 Dragons Of Eden by Carl Sagan. This quote from Carl Sagan shows it to be true since modern science of electricity and electronic industries trace their origins back to Galvani. We purchase stuff from these industries all the time so it is real. Our Robotics comes from this too.
““I was so blue and discouraged in those days,” he said, “that I don’t believe I could have borne up for the regular electric treatment which I administered to myself. You see, electricity puts into the tired body just what it most needs-life force, nerve force. It’s a great doctor, I can tell you, perhaps the greatest of all doctors.”” Page 140 “Tesla Man Out Of Time” by Margaret Cheney. The quote is from Nikola Tesla himself from the Margaret Chaney. There are other quotes from Tesla and others but this will do for now. I will find the ones where Tesla, I think if memory serves me right, talks about our animation principle of electric energy. I will get you this bite by bite.
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