Post by Konkor on Jul 3, 2010 10:05:31 GMT -5
If you do not believe in a Creator then I will prove to you the existence of One,but first I would like to bring in to recognition the difference between a personal conscious Deity compared to an impersonal conscious less force:
A significant debate within the pantheistic community is about the use of the word "God." Pantheists do not believe in a God in the common and traditional sense of a personal creator being. Some modern Pantheists avoid using God-words altogether, since they regard them as misleading. Others feel that the word God is essential to express the strength of their feelings towards Nature and the Universe.
Pantheism is little more than a redefinition of the word "God" to mean "Nature," "Universe", or "reality".
In Pantheism the word God, when used, is more an expression of the user's feelings rather than of some supernatural power in the Universe.
When pantheism is considered as an alternative to theism there is a denial of theistic claims. For example, theism is the belief in a "personal" God that transcends (is separate from) the world. Pantheists deny the existence of a personal God. They deny the existence of a "minded" Being that has intentional states and associated capacities like the ability to make decisions.
Source:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-SEP-16
Traditional theism takes the view that God and the world are different. Pantheism, on the other hand would say God and the world are one and the same, that God IS an active part of the world.
As a religious view, it could be very harmful. If God is an active part of the world, as claimed by pantheism, then he is a very vengeful god who takes joy in causing misfortune. Ontologically, it would make it impossible to identify and affirm God's saving presence. Additionally, it would negate the in-finiteness of God. the world being a finite place, and God being infinite. At least, that's two flaws I can identify.
Though pantheists do go to great length to differentiate the essence of God being different than God. It lacks cohesion at that point, for me. You cannot claim on the one hand that God is in the world and the world is in God, and then claim that you are speaking of the essence of God.
Now that I have a definition of what it really means to be a God(to be conscious),I would like to put forth the logical evidence of the existence of an all powerfully,conscious,transcendent Creator and Sustainer.
www.carm.org/discussion-logical-absolutes-proof-gods-existence
www.proofthatgodexists.org/main.php
www.calvindude.com/index.php?id=51
www.calvindude.com/index.php?id=52
What ever I say,even though there is Proof for it,you do not accept.
I have accepted that I cannot prove my Christian God,but instead have found proof for an all powerful,conscious,transcendent Creator and Sustainer.
If you do not believe the FACTS than it is a Fact that you are with out help.
There is an all powerful conscious Creator.
There is proof that there is one.
Only in Monotheism is their a Deity which matches the requirements.
Which ever religion has the true view of the all powerful,conscious,transcendent Creator and Sustainer is left to find out,but they all have similar qualities,one of which is the wrath exacted by the Creator on those which do not worship and follow the laws given by the Creator.
I worship a sole Creator,the Christian God,and Him alone.
You do not worship the Creator in any way shape or form and I am sure that "He" is ready to exact judgment on you and your life,whether it be after you die,in some place of punishment,such as the Christian Hell,or during your life now,after all everything is possible for the one who created everything and the concept of everything.
Take a look at this site to see what the Bible says about religions like new age-
jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm#mormon
Also,look what the Bible(Deuteronomy18:10-13) says about many things practiced by new agers-
www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Deuteronomy+18%3A10-13
A significant debate within the pantheistic community is about the use of the word "God." Pantheists do not believe in a God in the common and traditional sense of a personal creator being. Some modern Pantheists avoid using God-words altogether, since they regard them as misleading. Others feel that the word God is essential to express the strength of their feelings towards Nature and the Universe.
Pantheism is little more than a redefinition of the word "God" to mean "Nature," "Universe", or "reality".
In Pantheism the word God, when used, is more an expression of the user's feelings rather than of some supernatural power in the Universe.
When pantheism is considered as an alternative to theism there is a denial of theistic claims. For example, theism is the belief in a "personal" God that transcends (is separate from) the world. Pantheists deny the existence of a personal God. They deny the existence of a "minded" Being that has intentional states and associated capacities like the ability to make decisions.
Source:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-SEP-16
Traditional theism takes the view that God and the world are different. Pantheism, on the other hand would say God and the world are one and the same, that God IS an active part of the world.
As a religious view, it could be very harmful. If God is an active part of the world, as claimed by pantheism, then he is a very vengeful god who takes joy in causing misfortune. Ontologically, it would make it impossible to identify and affirm God's saving presence. Additionally, it would negate the in-finiteness of God. the world being a finite place, and God being infinite. At least, that's two flaws I can identify.
Though pantheists do go to great length to differentiate the essence of God being different than God. It lacks cohesion at that point, for me. You cannot claim on the one hand that God is in the world and the world is in God, and then claim that you are speaking of the essence of God.
Now that I have a definition of what it really means to be a God(to be conscious),I would like to put forth the logical evidence of the existence of an all powerfully,conscious,transcendent Creator and Sustainer.
www.carm.org/discussion-logical-absolutes-proof-gods-existence
www.proofthatgodexists.org/main.php
www.calvindude.com/index.php?id=51
www.calvindude.com/index.php?id=52
What ever I say,even though there is Proof for it,you do not accept.
I have accepted that I cannot prove my Christian God,but instead have found proof for an all powerful,conscious,transcendent Creator and Sustainer.
If you do not believe the FACTS than it is a Fact that you are with out help.
There is an all powerful conscious Creator.
There is proof that there is one.
Only in Monotheism is their a Deity which matches the requirements.
Which ever religion has the true view of the all powerful,conscious,transcendent Creator and Sustainer is left to find out,but they all have similar qualities,one of which is the wrath exacted by the Creator on those which do not worship and follow the laws given by the Creator.
I worship a sole Creator,the Christian God,and Him alone.
You do not worship the Creator in any way shape or form and I am sure that "He" is ready to exact judgment on you and your life,whether it be after you die,in some place of punishment,such as the Christian Hell,or during your life now,after all everything is possible for the one who created everything and the concept of everything.
Take a look at this site to see what the Bible says about religions like new age-
jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm#mormon
Also,look what the Bible(Deuteronomy18:10-13) says about many things practiced by new agers-
www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Deuteronomy+18%3A10-13